Coffee and Chocolate pairing

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/01/13 12:24:42PM
9 posts

Hi!

I was asked to talk about coffee and chocolate pairing. I've already done pairings with whisky and beer, but never with coffee.

Does anyone has ever done pairings like this? Do you have some guidelines you can give me, or tips? Are there big diffrences between pairings with alcohol and pairings with coffee? I'm thinking, for example, about the fact that coffee is drink hot, not beer or whisky.

Thank you very much for your help!

Karine


updated by @karine-guillemette: 04/21/15 12:52:41AM
ChocoFiles
@chocofiles
02/01/13 04:26:44PM
251 posts

Great topic! For about a year I have been delving into the world of fine coffee, so I have been learning all I can about good beans and brewing techniques. I think that coffee and chocolate are a very natural pairing, hence the many coffee flavored bars out there.

What brewing method are you considering using? Yes, I think you're right that having the coffee hot is crucial. It also needs to be brewed in a quality way so that knocks out theubiquitous drip coffee makers or percolators. It takes some time to grind the beans, set up the equipment, and then brew it.

How many cups of coffee are you going to make? I assume you will pair several kinds of beans with one chocolate. If you had 5 types of coffee beans then you would need to brew 5 batches. I think it would go much quicker to have 5 sets of equipment ready to use. I guess a coffee cafe or a brewer would be the best place to do it so you have access to that equipment.

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head... I've been thinking of offering some chocolate and coffee tastings so this has been on my mind for a while.

Please keep us informed of how you progress.

Lowe

Dirke Botsford
@dirke-botsford
02/02/13 03:24:15AM
98 posts

We attempted a coffee and chocolate pairing with a local roaster as I agree it seems like a natural pairing. Tried a variety of different types of beans and coffees, there are so many commonalities it was easy to come up with concepts to discuss. BUT... after doing marketing andpromotionalthere turned out to be very little interest in the general concept from potential clients. We've sold our products in coffee shops but again people tended to buy more baked goods then chocolate with their coffee. Maybe it's a west coast thing?

So in a nut shell we didn't find it worthwhile to pursue any further. It was fun exploring the pairing but beer, wine and scotches seems to be more agreeable. I don't think people care as much about the process or nuances of coffee as they do wine or beer etc. I maybe wrong but I asked a few people while doing research after to see if I could find a reason why it didn't work and the generalconsensuswas they just liked there coffee because they need their coffee fix. nothing more.

Not to put a damper on your question or the experience as you may find you get a great response? You just never know. Good luck with it and have fun.

Cheers,

Dirke

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/02/13 01:39:29PM
9 posts

I will be working with a guy that is a coffee roaster. He has very professional Simonelli equipment for the brewing, so I guess it would be a quality brewing. He asked me to do the pairing, so I will use his coffees, which are only blends.

I think it will be a "live discovery", unless I can try at home his coffees before the real event.

Like we said, a hot coffee is important, but I suppose that too hot can complicate the tasting? I mean that when something is too hot, it's harder to taste and to recognize flavors.

I'll keep you updated, and I would be interested to know what pairing you'll do if you

organize an event. :-)

Thank you for your tips!

Karine

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/02/13 01:47:10PM
9 posts

I don't know if chocolate and coffee pairing is more popular here than in the West Coast. But that's true that I don't see a lot of pairing events with coffee. You are right, the pairings are mostly done with wine and ports, at least here in Montral. I'll see the answer and the interest of the public.

Can I ask you what kind of pairs you've found? Were you using coffee blends or origins? And for the chocolate?

Thank's!

Karine

ChocoFiles
@chocofiles
02/02/13 02:35:20PM
251 posts

I'm curious... why is a roaster only using blends and not single origins? The roasters that I've seen use mostly single origin beans. I think this would work better for a tasting.

And what kind of equipment isSimonelli? Have you or he done any pour over cups? Does he know how to do a coffee cupping?

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/02/13 02:50:02PM
9 posts

I hope the guy is used to do coffee cupping, because I'm not used to it... The Simonelli equiment is italian: http://www.nuovasimonelli.com/. They have coffee machines for coffee shops and restaurants.

I would prefer too single origin coffees. I know that this coffee roaste make his own blends with beans from all over the world. It's a choice, I asked him.

ChocoFiles
@chocofiles
02/02/13 07:49:04PM
251 posts

The Simonelli website says that it makes Espresso machines. Are you really going to use espresso for these pairings? I hope not.

If I do a coffee and chocolate pairing, the coffee will be made by pour over or French press.

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/03/13 12:55:22AM
9 posts

Hi Lowe,

Thank you for the tip, but why is a French press coffee or pour over better than espresso for a tasting? I know chocolate, but I'm new to the coffee world, and these are the things I want to know and understand for a tasting. I want to understand the basics, at least, and a little bit more.

I'll ask the roasters if they have something else, not only espresso machines, but if I'll do so, I'll have to explain them why.

Karine

giovanni
@giovanni
02/03/13 12:35:32PM
9 posts

Ciao Karine

Interessante quesito. Ho sempre ritenuto la degustazione cioccolato/caff pi uno scontro che un abbinamento, entrambi molto complessi e ricchi di aromi che tendono l'un l'altro a sovrapporsi. Amo sia il cioccolato che il caff di cui faccio grande uso. Proprio adesso mentre leggevo il tuo post stavo prendendorilassatoil mio caff della domenica pomeriggio e cos ho pensato di abbinarlo ad un cioccolato ed proprio cos gli aromi in bocca si moltiplicano e non facile fare pi di un assaggio.

Credo che dovrai fare molte prove prima di abbinare le due cose, cio dovrai scegliere bene sia il caff che il cioccolato da mettere assieme in base a quello che hai a disposizione. Ho capito che il caff sar servito espresso. E' molto importate come hai detto che il caff giunga caldo all'assaggiatore e valuta anche se devi essere tu a somministrare e dosare lo zucchero nel caff o servirlo amaro e che ognuno faccia da se perch una cosa molto legata al gusto personale, almeno in Italia cos.

Sarebbe ottimo abbinare sia cioccolato che caff single origin.

Giovanni

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/03/13 12:54:45PM
9 posts

Ciao Giovanni,

S, far un bel po' di prove prima per vedere cosa succede in una degustazione del genere. Per non sar una degustazione con gente: star da sola con il barista e saremo filmati per una webtv: cafebarista.tv Magari avrei dovuto spiegarlo, anche se il mio obiettivo di organizzare degustazioni con gente eventualmente. Quindi tutti i consigli mi saranno uitli.

Quindi per il momento l'obbiettivo soltanto di spiegare come abbinare il cioccolato e il caff, cos la gente potr provare a casa e vedere cosa esce fuori. Quindi mi organizzer con i caff del barista, anche se non sono single origin. Ma chiaro che preferirei che entrambi i prodotti siano mono-origine.

Quale cioccolato e quale caff hai abbianato oggi?

Karine

giovanni
@giovanni
02/03/13 01:35:43PM
9 posts

Se cos allora cambia tutto, potrai raccontare le origini e l'evoluzione dei due coloniali pi diffusi al mondo e come si sono incrociate le loro storie e credo che saprai consigliare come prestare attenzione negli assaggi.

Io uso solo i caff arabica mono origine di Torrefazione Giamaica di Gianni Frasi.

Oggi ho preso il Chickamagalur Karnatka che indiano e ho abbinato un cioccolato 70% Paupasia

ChocoFiles
@chocofiles
02/03/13 01:58:40PM
251 posts

Karine,

Is your coffee person just a roaster or a barista at a cafe? You need to partner with someone who knows about coffee. You should ask your coffee partner about pour overs or French Press (not to mention Clever Coffee dripper or the aeropress or other brewing methods...) If they can't tell you what these are and the advantages and disadvantages to a cup of coffee then you need to find someone else.

IMO pure espresso is much too concentrated to pair with chocolate. It is one popular brewing method, so it might work, though. I haven't gotten into espresso all that much because it is so concentrated and powerful. I think it would totally overpower any chocolate.

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/03/13 01:59:56PM
9 posts

Infatti, cercher di parlare della degustazione in modo generale, e non so neanche se parleremo dei caff: la gente sapr che sono quelli del barista che sar l con me. Ma io cercher di parlare dei cioccolati che porter.

Mi sa che dovr sedermi col tizio prima e vedere insieme a lui di quanto tempo dispongo e anche cosa importante per lui e per me (cose da dire assolutamente).

Non conosco i caff di Gianni Frasi: da provare quando torner in Italia!

Grazie Giovanni per i consigli! :-)

ChocoFiles
@chocofiles
02/03/13 02:05:41PM
251 posts

Giovanni,

You make a good point about people using sugar in their coffee. (Thank you google translate.) I was assuming that all of the coffee would be black because that is the only way to get the true coffee flavor. But many people won't drink black coffee because they aren't used to it.

When I do this pairing I will still use only black, though. That is the best way for people to truly taste the single origin and not to adulterate the coffee.

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/03/13 02:06:59PM
9 posts

Hi Lowe,

I'll ask the guy, which is a roaster. He doesn't work at a caf. I'll see what he knows (or doesn't know) about all these methods, maybe he knows a lot anyways. What I explained to Giovanni is that the first thing I'll do is a video only with the guy, for a webtv. So the first time, it won't be a real tatsing with people attinding it. But I want to do these kind of tastings soon.

With what you tell me, I think this first step with the roaster will tell me if I can work with him for real tastings or if I should find a barista or someone who knows more the art of coffee tasting.

I'll try with espresso, just to see and make some tests. I'll let you know what I find and if it really overpowers the chocolate.

Karine Guillemette
@karine-guillemette
02/03/13 02:08:33PM
9 posts

I would use black too, and I didn't think either about using sugar. But maybe I should test both, or at least be very clear about the fact that I don't use any sugar.

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