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Tom
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12/14/11 19:50:36
205 posts

Bitterness


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Here is an article that you and others might find interesting, I have cut in the abstract text below but it is the later section of the paper on the Sensory Evaluation of Dark Chocolate that is relevant to this discussion and is worth a read see attached file

INFLUENCE OF ROASTING CONDITIONS ON VOLATILE FLAVOR OF ROASTED MALAYSIAN COCOA BEAN Journal of Food Processing and Preservation 30, 2006, p280

Abstract:

In this study, commercial Malaysian cocoa beans (SMC1A) were roasted

in a forced airflow-drying oven for 20, 30, 40 and 50 min at 120, 130, 140,

150, 160 and 170C. The products were evaluated for flavor compounds and

sensory evaluation (as dark chocolate). The volatile fraction was isolated

using the combined steam distillationextraction procedure and was identified

by gas chromatographymass spectrometry. A quantitative descriptive analysis

was used to evaluate the flavor intensity of the chocolates using a 9-point

rating scale for selected flavor attributes, namely astringency, bitter taste,

sour taste, cocoa and burnt. Panelists were asked to smell and taste the sample

against a standard chocolate. It was found that there were significant differences

in flavor compounds between the different conditions of roasting. The

main flavoring compounds identified composed of aliphatic and alicyclic

groups such as alcohol and ester, and heterocyclic groups such as pyrazine

and aldehyde. A total of 19 volatile major components were identified:

nine pyrazines (2,5-dimethyl-, 2,3-dimethyl-, 2-ethyl-6-methyl-, trimethyl-,

3-ethyl-2,5-dimethyl-, tetramethyl-, 2-ethenyl-6-methyl- and 3,5-dimethyl-2-

methylpyrazine); five aldehydes (5-methyl-2-phenyl-2-hexenal, benzaldehyde,

benzalacetaldehyde and a-ethyliden-benzenacetaldehyde); one methyl ketone

(2-nonanone); two alcohols (linalool and 2-heptanol); and two esters

(4-ethylphenyl acetate and 2-phenylethyl acetate). Based on the flavor profile

of the compounds identified, an optimum production of the major flavoring

compounds such as pyrazine, aldehyde, ketone, alcohol and ester occurred at

160C for 30 min of roasting. Trimethylpyrazine and tetramethylpyrazine compounds

together with 5-methyl-2-phenyl-2-hexanal were found to be good

indicators for the evaluation of the roasting process. However, based on

chocolate evaluation, the best roasting temperature was 150C for 30 min,

which gave the lowest astringency and at the same time gave the lowest bitter

taste and low level of sour and burnt tastes. At 150C roasting temperature, the

desirable cocoa flavor was at its optimum. Correlation coefficients among

certain volatile flavor and sensory characteristics of cocoa beans and dark

chocolate were significant (P 0.05).

Tom
@Tom
12/14/11 12:55:17
205 posts

Bitterness


Posted in: Tasting Notes

A general rule i use for grinding in a spectra 10 is 2hours grinding for every 500g of nibs into liquor, this makes it fine enough, then add the extra stuff, cocoa butter, sugar, milk powder etc and then you need about 12h for every 1kg of chocolate youare making to get the fineness, but depending on origin you will grind / conch for longer.
Tom
@Tom
12/14/11 12:49:10
205 posts

Bitterness


Posted in: Tasting Notes

Yeah , you wil certainly have a shorter roast profile if you are roasting nibs too
Tom
@Tom
12/14/11 03:49:18
205 posts

Bitterness


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I agree that your roast sounds a little light for the DR, however, I must tell you that in my roasting pan the beans sit about two to three deep, hence my stirring. If you have them one bean deep they heat and roast a bit quicker.I have not worked with Rio Caribe yet, but it will undoubtedly be less tannic. I would probably do something like 5 min at 170 then 20 min at 150 with no resting in the oven, I would be tasting the beans all the time to find the best end point though. I taste the beans regularly to assess how long, a good way, well the way I do it is to take out two beans, one on the big side and one on the smaller side, shell them and pop them both in my mouth with about a quarter of a teaspoon of sugar then chew it around for a bit without swallowing. With practice and knowledge of the flavours in your finished chocolate you can get a very good read on how the roast is progressing with this method. It is also really good for detecting two things, astringency and bitterness. The key is to keep chewing to get the paste nice and fine only then can you really start to 'taste' where your roast is at in terms of astringency and bitterness. Roasting is the best bit, I think, a new bean origin, a new challenge, and the house smells so damn good!
Tom
@Tom
12/13/11 16:44:19
205 posts

Bitterness


Posted in: Tasting Notes

10-15% milk powder is a good start for a dark milk choc. I findaround 10%for DR type beans and more for fruity beans like Madagascar.

Tom
@Tom
12/13/11 15:39:57
205 posts

Bitterness


Posted in: Tasting Notes

No worries on the help.

Maria, I have used this bean from Chocolate Alchemy, many years ago, I found it was quite astringent bean, in fact so astringent that it curdled milk when I used it to make hot chocolate. It is definitly one that needs 'resting'. I think from memory it was a cooler longer roast I used on this bean. I just looked it up in my notes and it was 800g of beans in one tray for5 min (170degreesC), 27 min (150degreesC) and then turn oven (kitchen convection)off and leave door open for 10 min then take out of oven and cool (I stir the beans every 5 mins or so during the roasting). I find this last resting in the oven with it off and the door open really developes some good chocolatey notes in the beans and reduces some of that bitterness(some beans that is, not all,I tend to use it on this type of bean and in Vanuatu as it is quite tannic too).

Dark milk chocolate is a great chocolate, if you are setting up a business. For the Australian taste, this is the type of chocolate I would be selling, it is by far and away what people here that taste my chocolate like the best.

Tom
@Tom
12/13/11 12:37:14
205 posts

Bitterness


Posted in: Tasting Notes

I agre with Maria, aging will allow the bitterness to 'settle', I age mine after tempering but I don't think it really matters. Some origins get very bitter if you roast them too long, I have found this pronounced in beans from peru and the philippines and to some extent with vanuatu. Roasting shorter and cooler is the solution here. As a general rule astringency deacreases with roasting and bitterness increases so you just got to find the sweet spot. One more thing you can do if it is all to bitter is to make a dark milk chocolate, even just a little milk powder in the formulation can reduce bitterness significantly.
Tom
@Tom
05/13/12 21:05:23
205 posts

Deep Insights Needed: Hot Chocolate


Posted in: Recipes

Thanks Felipe, so the concept is as aflavouring agent but also for texture? I assume you would get the lumps at the bottom or does it floatkind of like a marshmallow in hot chocolate concept?Oh and how much would one typically add to say a 250ml mug of hot chocolate? And how do you make your hot chocolate, with milk or water?

Tom
@Tom
05/13/12 17:27:02
205 posts

Deep Insights Needed: Hot Chocolate


Posted in: Recipes

I have never heard of this before but it is something I would be interested in trying. So what is 'white cheese', could you liken it to a type? Is it a soft salty cheese like ricotta or something more mature, less salty like fetta?

Tom
@Tom
11/24/11 20:19:42
205 posts

Making Chocolate at Home


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, & Techniques

I age it once it has been totally finished and moulded into bars. Most dramatic changes in the chocolate taste occur in a period of three weeks after that, from then it seems reasonably stable (I mould pretty much straight after I finish grinding it). This is just my experience from making and eating a serious amount of chocolate in the last 4-5 years. As for conching, you just have to use your taste, I don't ever conch overly long, I like a bright chocolate. Over conching is a sin, it flattens and mutes the chocolate. Only with a very acidic chocolate like madagascar would I conch in the true sense. It takes about 12 h for a 1 kg batch to grind down to sufficient particle size in my Spectra 10, usually I wouldn't do anything more to the chocolate after that. But with a madagascar I would take the lid off and 'conch' (grind further) for about another 6 h, this also depends on ambient temperature also.

The best way to learn is just to make heaps of chocolate and try different things all the time, try lots of different origins too. Importantly taste it all the time at all stages and keep notes.

Tom
@Tom
11/21/11 15:43:09
205 posts

Looking for contract manufacturer for couverture bars


Posted in: Classifieds F/S or Wanted

Corvina is the Melbourne company I assume? Apparently there is one in the Gold Coast but I forget the name, perhaps you can use this geographic area to locate it?

Tom
@Tom
10/24/11 20:46:21
205 posts

Making bark with a tempering machine


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, & Techniques

I have this problem sometimes when the ingredients I am adding to the choc are too cold, I would warm the ingredients you are adding slightly like you say.
Tom
@Tom
10/17/11 20:54:05
205 posts

One Bar, Two Bar, Red Bar.....


Posted in: Opinion

I like it! Some things to keep in mind, though,are that colour influences how people perceive the taste of something and how much of your demographic are those that frown on food colourings. It seems to be a big thing here (Australia)as food colouring compounds (natural or not) can supposedly affect behaviour in childern.

Cool idea though, you could play on the influence the colour has on how people taste by having additives, whether ground in orimbedded in the chocolate, that link with the colour?

Tom
@Tom
10/11/11 16:28:51
205 posts

Check Out My Newly (Revised) Web Site


Posted in: Allow Me to Introduce Myself

Thanks for the link Jim. Good to see pics of the place and processes.
Tom
@Tom
09/27/11 17:07:15
205 posts

Raw chocolate.....again


Posted in: Opinion

Come on Jim, $2.50 per pod at least, this is raw chocolate after all!
Tom
@Tom
09/27/11 06:42:37
205 posts

Raw chocolate.....again


Posted in: Opinion

I am almost sorry to raise the subject again but I recently came across Sungods Superfoods ( www.sungodsuperfoods.com.au ) being flogged in my local supermarket. Raw cacao nibs from Bali was the product, overpriced and claiming to cure all that ails ya. Anyway, curious, i bought some as i wanted to find out how raw we are talking. I have had a few experiences with Bali cacao, a nice fermented batch which made some pretty nice chocolate and some absolute shit, mould covered unfermented beans.....just wash the pulp off and dry, apparently quite common in Indo. Tasting, then roasting and tasting led me to the conclusion that the nibs were unfermented and unroasted. Then i thought what is all the hoo ha about raw chocolate being fermented, who cares if fermentation goes too hot, just skip a step, wash the pulp straight off the bean, dry the sucker and you are done. You have raw cacao without having to quibble about the fermentation temperature with the added bonus of not having exposed the beans to a multitude of unchecked possibly pathogenic microorganisms and as far as i can tell it still tastes aweful, so perfect!So are there two catagories of 'raw cacao'? Which is better, dare i say 'raw-er'?I can probably have a go at this, the unfermented would be raw-er, but the fermented probably tastes marginally better. But as for more heath-filled, fermentation probably breaks down the polyphenols a bit, so do we want shorter chains or longer?
updated by @Tom: 04/12/15 00:47:18
Tom
@Tom
09/16/11 05:28:27
205 posts

Re: Cacao Beans for Testing!


Posted in: Self Promotion / Spam

Me too, thanks again!
Tom
@Tom
09/12/11 21:13:46
205 posts

Re: Cacao Beans for Testing!


Posted in: Self Promotion / Spam

Hi Ernesto, I would be interested in giving you feedback on your beans. I have had a lot of experience with different origins and have done some work with Australian farmers on the issue of post harvest processing and its effect on the final chocolate. I have worked with a lot of cacao from the South Pacific too, Vanuatu, Samoa, Fiji and PNG and could give feedback on how your cacao relates.

Let me know. Cheers

Tom

Tom
@Tom
09/01/11 18:19:24
205 posts

Cost of couverture in Australia


Posted in: Tasting Notes

If you are using a lot or can buy more in bulk it is work talking to the guys who are supplying you and getting them to knock it back. Or go further up the chain to their supplier and get if from them if you are purchasing a lot - that is what one of my friends did.

That price though $18 per kg is a pretty good price in this country though.

Tom
@Tom
06/25/12 06:14:52
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Further update, i don't know if anyone caught the Jetstar inflight magazine article well this is even better exposure for Daintree Estates chocolate. They had the tv show Landline do a story on them, go to http://www.abc.net.au/landline/archives/landline_201206.htm and follow the chocolate!
Tom
@Tom
11/11/11 20:59:36
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Display photo from the launch at the Sheraton Mirage Resort at Port Douglas earlier this month. Looks amazing I think you will agree

Tom
@Tom
11/09/11 19:42:45
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Looks like the online store is up and running!

Tom
@Tom
09/22/11 17:39:09
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Oh, you got that right! Dark milk chocolate is a seriously under-represented catagory in Australia and the funny thing is it would probably be the most popular (my experience over many years of giving samples to people). I love it, you can still taste the origin but it has the lovely milk to mellow just slightly the bitterness. There are a few bars out there but they don't really say DARK MILK CHOCOLATE like the Lindt 50% which is what my wife and daughter go for when they have eaten everything I have made......which happens a lot, have a safe box with a very stern note in it, which some how doesn't seem to make one ounce of difference!!?#$%#@. Well, if I was serious I would get a small safe!

Oh, I finally got my Daintree Vanilla and wow! You weren't kidding just the smell alone is sodelicious and potent, not as harsh and 'green' (if that can be used as an aroma descriptor) as the Tahitian stuff you can buy in supermarkets now. I need to get some of the Queen planifolia for comparison, but wow, if that is how it smells I can't wait to put it in some chocolate this weekend. Mmmm mmmm!

Tom
@Tom
09/18/11 21:45:49
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Looks like the Daintree bars are packaged, this pic is off the website

Tom
@Tom
09/13/11 17:13:09
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Ooooo I can't wait, hopefully it gets here for a weekend run!
Tom
@Tom
09/13/11 17:12:28
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

I think I was talking to the right person in the right place at the right time.

The dark milk that I make with the Aussie beans is a 55% but that is 40% beans, I like my cacao content quite high in a dark milk, this formulation I found best to my liking, just the right amount of milk to balance with the fruit. The Daintree Estates formulation I am not sure of but suspect it is more like a 45% like you have guessed (when I see the nutritional info on the bigger bars I will be able to work it out). This bean works well at a number of different formulations below the 55% I settled on, the flavour of the bean still comes through even down to a 25% cacao bean content. I found it more challenging to formulate it at this level because I wanted to maintain the origin flavour but at that level of milk you face a lot more challengeswith the physical properties of the chocolate rather than getting the flavour you want. I got it pretty damn right in the end for the milk chocolate though, I was really quite proud of that one (with nibs in it it was killer!!!).


updated by @Tom: 09/07/15 20:42:50
Tom
@Tom
09/12/11 21:56:38
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Hey, thanks for the tip off Ice Blocks, I didn't know they existed, I seem to remember searching for Aussie vanilla at one stage, don't know how I missed them. I have just ordered some beans and will try them in a batch of Aussie chocolate and compare with other vanilla, see if I can detect a difference. I also quite like making a version of the el rusticoAskinosie bar which has chuncks of vanilla bean in the chocolate - should taste a difference there!
Tom
@Tom
09/12/11 21:33:57
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

I didn't work with Daintree Estates per se, Iworked with Don Murday and just before thatRick Raya bit on how theirpost harvest processes related to the finished chocolate, this started back in 2009. I worked for beans; Don kindlysent beans and I sent back chocolate. As well as trying different roasts over that time I optimised formulations (dark, dark milk and milk choc)to display the unusual flavour notes and did some 'product developement' too so to speak but never official. Don did show (let taste) some of the many shipments I sent over the years to some of the execs of the operation, so perhaps that had some influence. I had a great deal of fun and gained a lot of experience and importantly got to eat a lot of very nice chocolate. The finest beans I have worked with. Post harvest processing was so good I did a copy of Pralus' chocolate coated cocoa beans and they were sensational with dark milk chocolate. I had never felt game enough to try this on any other originI have worked with because the shell is left on in this delicacyand quite honestly who knows where cacao has been and the shell needs to be nice and thin, free ofplacenta, sticks, bugs, rocks, dirt andfermentation extremely consistent.
Tom
@Tom
09/06/11 17:48:38
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Just received a sample the other day. Excellent work guys, the flavour notes unique to the Australian bean are very well showcased. I just heard that the 80g bars were coming off the line on Monday. I look forward to seeing the packaging.
Tom
@Tom
08/21/11 20:18:17
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Well ill have to order some bars then, look forward to reading more as the blog continues!
Tom
@Tom
08/21/11 20:13:37
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Ok got in, took a million years to load the site and i still got the message that it couldnt open the page? Dont know what is going on there, Ill have a look around.
Tom
@Tom
08/21/11 20:08:14
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

I have, still no love, have used Safari and Explorer on several machines. I will try at work when i get there.
Tom
@Tom
08/21/11 04:14:34
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Well i would like not to forget but i think i did, i am pretty sure i have come across the name before but couldnt access your website, and forgot with no other means of contact, it was a difficult followup. I am trying to access right now and cant. Just found your facebook and therefore your email but there aint much else there. So what do you do, where do you sell?
Tom
@Tom
08/11/11 19:57:41
205 posts

Daintree Estates - Australia gets another bean-to-bar chocolate maker


Posted in: News & New Product Press

Very exciting news! Australia now has four bean to bar chocolate makers (I think I am counting correctly). Haigh's, Nui, Zokoko and now Daintree Estates ( www.daintreeestates.com ). Check out their comprehensive website for more info, the shop is not up and running yet but soon I am told.

I have had the good fortune to have worked with some of the cocoa from Mango Park run by Don and the chocolate I have made from itis amazing! The flavour notes are very unusual, I get liquorice and pineapple very strongly in this chocolate.

Well done guys!!


updated by @Tom: 04/18/15 04:26:46
Tom
@Tom
05/13/14 21:20:28
205 posts

cacao cucina


Posted in: Opinion

I think I found a vid Clay at this address:

new type oil press machine operating process

Looks like an automated screw expeller, like the hand worked Piteba one. I bought one of these and had no luck in getting cocoa butter out of it. However Bob Rankin also had a Piteba and was getting it to work but he died before he got around to helping me tweak what I was doing to get it to work. Just wondering what options are available in the automated version for speed and aperture for the solid and liquid output. These things need to be adjusted as the system warms up too (with the Piteba).

Found some instructions for use .

Looks like heating is controlled by thermostat for expelling the solid which is good as I found the end of the Piteba sometimes cooled down and this stopped the cocoa solid from coming out.

Tom
@Tom
03/28/11 23:22:06
205 posts

Marshmallows in Hot Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

I agree, there is nothing like a bit of experimental archiology, I like making old hot chocolate recipes.

I don't think anywhere here will stock it, is the shop in Brisbane?


updated by @Tom: 09/11/15 13:04:30
Tom
@Tom
03/28/11 20:55:59
205 posts

Marshmallows in Hot Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

Wow, quick turnaround on the experiment. Where did you get your marshmallow root powder from in Aus?

Are we going to see a marshmallow root iceblock?

Tom
@Tom
03/24/11 16:25:01
205 posts

Marshmallows in Hot Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

Well Cheebs, you are a man whose opinion I value greatly when it comes to chocolate so I will give making marshmallows a try and dare to put them with my hot chocolate. The blow torch idea is great, that would be excellent I think both visually and making that plain sugar note complex.....brilliant! What a statement.
Tom
@Tom
03/24/11 00:50:37
205 posts

Marshmallows in Hot Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

Seems I have an answer http://www.marshmallowfluff.com/pages/history1.html . It looks to me like marshmallows in hot chocolate isa product of marketing, the marshmallow company buys a hot chocolate mix company and then promotes the use of both products together to make more sales. Makes dollars and cents.
Tom
@Tom
03/24/11 00:34:15
205 posts

Marshmallows in Hot Chocolate


Posted in: Opinion

I have thought about using other bush tucker flavours but not done anything.

With the strawberry gum I was thinking about grinding the dried leaf into the chocolate until the texture is indistinguisable from the chocolate itself. I have done this with coffee and cinamon with great results, perhaps the strawberry gum leaf would not be potent enough?

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