What are your impressions of certification programs like Fair Trade?
@clay
01/28/08 09:16:44
1,680 posts
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
clay - http://www.thechocolatelife.com/clay/
updated by @clay: 04/19/15 15:35:47
@clay
01/29/08 09:38:16
1,680 posts
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
clay - http://www.thechocolatelife.com/clay/
I have been seeing a lot of chocolate bars with the Fair Trade certification lately. I might be a bit cynical, but it seems like certifications, like the Fair Trade certification, is more of a marketinggimmick. It would be great if the chocolate bar companies actually show the "fruits of their labor" by publicizing what are actually happening at their "fair trade" farms. I guess I'm just not supportive of organizations that act like they are doing good in the world, when only a small percentage of their bars are considered Fair Trade.
@brad-churchill
12/08/11 18:08:26
527 posts
How about a certification called "Sustainable Trade"? The organization claiming "Sustainable Trade" practices would need to prove that the grower of their beans is being paid a multiple of market prices at the time of purchase. For example, I pay one of my growers TWICE market price at the time of the sale, but still can't call Choklat "Fair Trade" even though it's far more fair than the BS Fair Trade certification that the general public dotes on.
Just thinking out loud here....
Brad
@clay
12/08/11 18:22:19
1,680 posts
Brad:
I applaud your commitment to paying for improved quality, irrespective of formal certifications, which often return dubious value while guaranteeing increased costs of production.
I think a more beneficial way to think about pricing is to decouple it from commodity market and ask questions like, "Does the price paid reflect the true cost of production?", and"Does the price paid enable the grower/producer to support their family, sustain their farms, and strengthen their community?" Often, even double the market price is still not enough to answer yes to those questions.
The market price is not reflective of anything concrete. One the one hand, there is a forecast shortfall of 1 million metric tonnes in less than a decade. One bank expects, because of forecast record harvests in West Africa, for the price to be at $2300/MT this time next year and another expects it to be at $2700. In the meantime, the ICCO spot price has plummeted by nearly 30% (from over $3100/MT to under $2200/MT) since July. And that's the CIF price (delivered, customs, insurance, freight), not the price paid at the farm gate.
For everyone out there thinking about what's "fair" go to the grocery store and think about how shockingly cheap many bars of chocolate are. As long as that's the norm - and that's the expectation, then "Fair" trade isn't.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
clay - http://www.thechocolatelife.com/clay/
@brad-churchill
12/08/11 22:39:30
527 posts
Clay;
You have a point, and I believe this was something that was discussed at length in another thread somewhere on this forum. I think the consensus was that a more "sustainable" deal was one that was tied to the socio-economic conditions of origin.
Thanks for the reminder.
Cheers.
Brad
@dino-scarsella
12/09/11 07:35:13
3 posts
http://ibdsocioambiental.com.br/
ECO Social buy IBD!!!
@ancel-mitchell
12/31/11 15:09:45
6 posts
It's complicated, and I'm not an economist by any stretch, my experience with fairtrade comes from listening to the farmers.
Tags
Activity
Chocolatevenue is an online chocolate store in India.We are specialized in customized chocolates .Chocolates can be customized as chocolate message and chocolate bars.
You can get written your message on chocolates and can get customized your chocolate bars by selecting the desired ingredients.
for more details
FOR SALE / BARGAIN / FINE CACAO LIQUOR, COLOMBIA ORIGIN
Enjoy a delicious premium chocolate from the Boyacá region of Colombia, considered among the best in the world. We offer a 200 kilograms lot of pure origin cocoa liquor, fair trade / ethically sourced. N o other ingredients added.
The price for this high quality product is as follows:
1 kg - US$ 13
100 kg - US$ 12 per kilo
200 kg - US$ 11 per kilo
Inquires: equalcolombia@gmail.com
- See more at: https://www.thechocolatelife.com/colorchocolate#sthash.JFDWYFuK.dpuf
- See more at: https://www.thechocolatelife.com/community/forums/my_posts/18453/fine-cacao-liquor-colombia-origin#sthash.2pUq4Eu3.dpuf
The headline says it all: United Cacao: the sad tale of when things really go wrong for Aim investors .
Two changes we made with the chocolate is that this time we winnowed the chocolate. This time we didn't use a blow dryer to melt the chocolate. Two improvements with the chocolate is that the melanger didn't get clogged this time and everyone put in work.