General Tempering Question

Bud Stockwell
@bud-stockwell
01/03/10 04:02:58PM
18 posts
What is going on with my temper? When my dark chocolate sets up, it has great snap and is shiny yet I have swirls on chocolate as if I heated the chocolate too high and it's the cacao butter separating. I didn't let the temperer get above 112. I also get some spots that look like a popped bubble. It doesn't appear to be bloomed. It will not degrade or turn gray over the ext few weeks but it's not the shiny, perfect temper I'm looking for. Help anyone?
updated by @bud-stockwell: 04/11/15 02:45:31PM
Mark Heim
@mark-heim
01/03/10 08:04:31PM
101 posts
Are you using the chocolate to tablet or to enrobe?
Bud Stockwell
@bud-stockwell
01/04/10 08:27:37AM
18 posts
Hey Mark,Often I have a great temper but occasionally this happens to me. It may happen when enrobe a truffle, or a piece of slabbed ganache or make some bark. What do you mean by tablet? As I said, I usually have a nice finish to my tempered chocolate but when this happens I'm perplexed. I certainly have experienced classic bloomed chocolate, dull with no snap. This appears to be in temper except for this film like swirl. any thoughts?
Carlos Eichenberger
@carlos-eichenberger
01/04/10 09:55:49AM
158 posts
What are the temp/humidity conditions in your room? At least personally, the only time that happens is when humidity is too high, 70% or above.
Bud Stockwell
@bud-stockwell
01/04/10 10:28:14AM
18 posts
We keep the room between 65-68 degrees and the humidity at 45%.
holycacao
@holycacao
01/04/10 10:50:57AM
38 posts
How large of a tablet are you molding? The larger bars with heavy grade polycarbonate usually needs some form of fan if you don't have a cooling tunnel/cabinet. It might just take to long to remove all of the heat from the bar. You can also try to let the chocolate crystalize a little more- overtemper, help it set up faster.If your seeing swirls that are a thin film of cocoa butter (prailines or truffles) chances are that the chocolate it a little out of temper and that the pieces were cooled too fast. Needs more crystalization.Hope that helps,Jo
Brian Donaghy
@brian-donaghy
01/04/10 01:56:46PM
58 posts
What process are you using to temper the chocolate? Also, can you wipe the bloom off the surface or does it stay if you try to wipe it off?brian
Bud Stockwell
@bud-stockwell
01/04/10 04:14:20PM
18 posts
I have a Hillard Temperer and a Cocovision Delta. I melt the bulk of my chocolate overnight at about95-100. In the AM it goes into the temperer put the temperature up to 112 or so. I grind up some tempered chocolate and add that to the chocolate as I turn town the temp. I go down to 85 and then go back up to 89. I check for temper. If it's not snappy & shiny I add a little more seed and check recheck.sometimes it looks great, other times this damn oil like swirl.
Brad Churchill
@brad-churchill
01/04/10 04:36:55PM
527 posts
Bud;There are two potential problems I can see, given that I don't know what your ambient room temperature is while you're working with the chocolate1. The problem is most likely uneven chocolate temperature. You're not stirring enough. I've posted this on other blogs. Before molding, stir, stir, stir. If you think you've stirred enough, then stir some more, and you should be fine.2. Your working temperatures are too high. If you're seeding (it sounds as though you are), heat 65% of your chocolate to at least 115 degrees (112 is borderline too low), stir well, and then begin cooling to 89 degrees. When the melted chocolate hits 95 degrees, add in your 35% 'seed', and stir until all is melted. If it doesn't all melt, then bump up the temperature of your mass to 90 or 91 degrees, just until it's melted.One other option would be to melt the whole mass to at least 115 (my staff are instructed to go to 120 just to be safe), then cool it to 79, and then reheat it to 90 - all while stirring, stirring, stirring. My staff do this every day, and we have flawlessly tempered dark chocolate.Oh.... with these temperatures, our ambient room temperature is 64 degrees - a touch on the cool side.Hope this helps.Brad.
Bud Stockwell
@bud-stockwell
01/04/10 05:29:35PM
18 posts
It stays put and does not wipe off.
Brad Churchill
@brad-churchill
01/04/10 08:10:46PM
527 posts
Assuming you're talking about the swirl, that's correct. It's chocolate that has bloomed (ie it has set with the wrong form of crystal). It won't wipe off. You will need to remelt and remold it.
Carol
@carol
01/04/10 08:26:39PM
24 posts
Brad,What kind of equipment are you using. Do you use a melter? The reason I ask is because of all the stirring.Also, do you melt to 120 even for brand new chocolate?I use a mold'art melter and basicly follow your procedure, the main problem I battle with is the ambient room teperature.Carol
Brad Churchill
@brad-churchill
01/04/10 08:52:22PM
527 posts
Carol;For hand dipping the truffles, my staff use 6 ACMC machines, and then for larger amounts (above 50lbs) we use a series of Savage Bros semi automatic tempering machines. I have also trained all my staff to be able to temper all 9 varieties of our chocolate by hand, using just a double boiler, 8 litre bowl, and a heat gun/blow dryer.One big thing is to learn the crystalization properties of chocolate. Quite often viscosity of dark chocolate can be controled by temperature. I know of many chocolatiers who, as the day progresses and their working chocolate gets thicker, just add more cocoa butter. Bad move! It thins it out for a short bit, but also mutes the flavour. All they would need to do is increase the working temperature by a couple of degrees, and within minutes the chocolate is thin again.The same principle applies when working with very "thin" couverture. By controlling the temperature as you are working with it, you can make a very fluid dark chocolate, quite thick. (hence thicker chocolate coating on your confections).It's all about crystalization.Brad.
Brian Donaghy
@brian-donaghy
01/05/10 09:03:31AM
58 posts
Bud.I'm with Brad on this one - your melt temp is borderline and is probably not at that temperature through the entire mass and so when you put the rest of the mass in temper, some of its not. And it sounds like it's not sugar bloom so isn't an ambient temperature or humidity issue.brian
Brian Donaghy
@brian-donaghy
01/05/10 09:06:53AM
58 posts
Brad.Ahh, crystallization. Some days I wish I had paid more attention to high school science with how often I am confronted with it these days.Where you talk about using cocoa butter and the prob's with it - I tend to use the chocolate that I am working with at a pre-crystallization temperature. Obviously one has to be careful not to destroy the temper but it doesn't change the flavor profile. This is the technique I always use with traditional wheel machines.brian
Brad Churchill
@brad-churchill
01/05/10 11:36:23AM
527 posts
Brian;Here's where your problem may very well lie. Chocolate at a pre-crystalization temperature is WAY too warm, and will for certain be the culprit that causes the streaks/bloom in your final product (which is the result of uneven temperatures, and uneven crystalization).You can add untempered chocolate to tempered chocolate, but here is how you should do it:When your working chocolate is running low, or beginning to thicken:1. In a seperate melter or over a double boiler, melt the chocolate you wish to add, and heat it to 120 degrees.2. Cool the chocolate to 92 degrees. This can be done very quickly by putting the bowl in a cold water bath and stirring the chocolate away from the sides of the bowl.3. Slowly add that chocolate to your working chocolate, being sure to STIR, STIR, STIR.4. Wait 5-10 minutes for the working chocolate to seed the chocolate you've just added, and for the temperature to become consistent.You should be good to go, with no streaks.The important thing here is to add the new chocolate to the working chocolate when the temperatures are very close together, and to ensure the new chocolate has never reached a lower temperature where the undesireable types of crystalization occurs.Hope this helps.Brad. www.SoChoklat.com
Bud Stockwell
@bud-stockwell
01/07/10 12:11:28PM
18 posts
I want to thank you all for your kind posts.To recap, my problem is a mild case of bloom caused by my not heating the chocolate high enough to melt out all of the seed. I'll also add more seed as I have been adding about 20% when I hit 95 degrees. Even though I use a temperer that is always stirring the mass of chocolate, I should still stir more by hand to ensure even temperature distribution. I might also lean to letting it over-crystallize a bit. I have also been adding up to 20% more melted chocolate when at 95 degrees to my tempered chocolate when I was running low. Now I'll let it cool a bit more so the temperatures are closer. And stir, stir, stir.Again, thanks. It's great finding a community of fellow chocolatiers who are so kind and open to helping.Yours,Bud
Mike3
@mike3
01/21/10 03:14:01PM
63 posts
Brian, i have been battling with tempering and cooling, and i noticed yesterday that the blotch i've been getting on every bar, on the side touching the mold CAN be wiped off. Perhaps you can shed some light on my problem and a possible solution?After a full day of tempering and molding under all sorts of different conditions, i suspected that maybe there was too much residual cocoa butter in my molds and that was causing the problem (even though i clean them out with cotton balls before use), so i washed one with soap for the first time to test my hypothesis today. (by the way, i'm using a revolation x as of yesterday, but was getting this when i'd temper by hand prior to this)thanks in advance-mike
Tami Rose Goodwin
@tami-rose-goodwin
10/09/10 02:49:36PM
1 posts
I just happened on this discussion and was wondering if your problem was ever resolved. I have been tempering my chocolate the same way in a Rev 2 for a couple of months and suddenly I getting this weird bloom that I've never had before. The chocolate sets up okay when I test it, but then about an hour after I have dipped all my centers, they look awful with a grayish hue and spotted look to them. I am very frustrated and perplexed. Did you figure out what your problem was?
Bud Stockwell
@bud-stockwell
10/11/10 04:29:41PM
18 posts
I think it may have been a couple of issues. One reason was that as I dipped different centers, the ganache would slightly melt and what I would have was not pure chocolate but different fats (cream, nuts, etc.) I solved this by starting with fresh chocolate each time. I would use the leftover for my new ganache. (The technique that I use for making a ganache is to temper my chocolate and mix that with my cream/invert sugar that has boiled and let cool to 95 degrees. I then add my butter and tempered chocolate together. That way the ganache sets up much quicker and is much firmer. I'm told that under a microscope, my ganache would look more tempered than one using the method of pouring the boiling cream over the tempered chocolate. But I digress.So that was one issue. The other was messing around with my temperatures. I had changed my coveratures around the time I bought the machine and needed to find the right custom temperature settings for the combination's of chocolate that I was using. I hope this helped.Bud

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