Opinion on Continuous v Batch Tempering
Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, & Techniques
The Savage Bros. temperers do not need to be seeded. They use a water jacket hooked up to a cold water supply to cool the chocolate.
Also, I haven't had any issue with keeping the pump warm, but not too warm. Just run it on the timer with the heater off.
Any news on getting the group discussions updated? In my opinion, they're almost useless now, since there's no way to easily see when a thread was last updated.
Also, the search results issue I mentioned in my 3/12/15 post is still happening.
The process you describe should work fine, but it will probably take a long time to cool. I don't believe the jkv-30 has any active cooling, right? Does it just circulate air around the tank? You could probably speed it up some by adding a fan on the chocolate.
The  reference in the book I linked is to this book:
I found this reference in 'Chocolate: History, Culture and Heritage' (page 1672 in the link, but page 620 in the hardcover version):
It doesn't say much, though.
p.s. good to 'see' you! I hope things are going well.
I just noticed something when doing a search. I did a search on 'pricing' looking for an old thread to send to a friend and several of the results didn't display a title or link. So, it was impossible to actually click through to the thread.
There are a couple on the third page of results:
There's one by me and one further down by Matt Caputo that aren't working. There's also one on the second page of results.
Just wanted to bring the group discussions back up. Currently, they show when the thread was started and the number of replies, and are sorted according to start date. On the previous site, they showed, and were sorted by, the last comment date. I think the previous way was much more useful, as it made it easy to see which threads have been updated recently. On older threads in particular, new comments could easily go unread with the current method.
Just noticed an issue with the search function. It appears that it only searches titles for group discussions, and the first post for forum discussions.
As examples, a search for the word 'foil' does not return the following group discussion, which has 'foil' in the first post:
...and a search for 'infrared' does not return the following forum discussion, which has 'infrared' in the second post:
Thanks Clay. I think the search results look a little weird since they're inconsistent between the forum results (with detail) and the group results (without detail). My preference would definitely be to have the group results show the same detail as the forum results. It just gives you a little more info to help you decide which link to click.
For the group discussion comments, I would definitely prefer them to be oldest to newest. This is how the forum discussions work, so it would be consistent. But I also think it just makes more sense, considering that existing/older discussions on this site are used as a resource for new and existing users. Newest to oldest may work ok if you're actively tracking an ongoing discussion (although, I think oldest-to-newest makes more sense for this, too), but doesn't when referring back to it later or reading a discussion for the first time. In those cases, the user would read the original post at the top, then jump to the last page and scroll to the bottom, and then read a comment, scroll up to the top of the next comment, read down, scroll up, and so on.
Yep, I see the Shared Journey discussion now, too. I think it just didn't register that it was a link to the discussion since it didn't have the date, icon, first lines, etc. I must have just thought it was another section header.
The first post I see on that discussion is yours of 12/1/14, which is the most recent comment posted to that thread.
Thanks for looking into this Clay. The discussion that I first noticed this was this one:
But the issue is much more apparent on a thread with more comments, like this one:
It would be very awkward to ready that discussion start-to-finish with the current sorting.
On a separate issue, the search doesn't seem to search the group discussions. I tried to search for 'shared journey' but it didn't find the thread linked above.
Hi Clay. In the group discussions, is it possible to have comments displayed chronologically top-to-bottom like they are in the forums? Currently, they're showing in reverse order which makes it difficult to read an entire conversation.
Also, is it possible to have the group discussion list be ordered by the date of the last comment, instead of the creation date (again, like the forums)?
You'll need to change the way you control airflow, though. My thinking was to replicate what I'm doing with my winnower, and use a pvc ball valve. So, I would hook a PVC "T" connector to the husk output of the zigzag winnower. One side would go to the dust deputy and the other would point straight up and go to a ball valve. By adjusting the valve, you'd control the airflow through the winnower.
Thanks! I look forward to seeing the video.
One idea would be to hook it straight up to a vortex dust collector on a 5-gallon bucket, replacing the built-in shell collection chamber. I use one for my current winnower and can winnow 30 Kg or more before having to empty it.
I haven't had To'ak or looked too closely into any of their claims. That being said, there are several discussions on these forums, as well as elsewhere, debating the benefits (or lack thereof) to aging chocolate. Personally, I age one of my chocolates and feel that it results in a much better flavor (the other two don't really benefit from aging). I've also spoken with another maker, who makes some of my favorite chocolate, who mentioned that one of their chocolates is aged for over a year before it is ready.
All this is to say that the claim that their bars gets better with age is not necessarily an outrageous claim.
p.s. I agree that the bar in the photo does appear to have some tempering issues.
Something like this was discussed in this thread:http://www.thechocolatelife.com/forum/topics/mold-release-ring-formation-issue-in-mold
In that one, though, the idea was to glue a rigid bar to the bottom of a mold.
For yours, I think you may have problems with the mold retaining temperature and the bars not cooling correctly. Do you warm your molds?
I was recently emailing with another small chocolate maker who told me about an upgrade to the Behmor that gives a lot more control (although not complete control). You can set the power to the heating elements from 0% to 100% in 25% increments as well as switch the drum speed between 8 and 16 rpm.
I believe that the new Behmor 1600 Plus is basically the old Behmor with this upgrade already installed. I think this would be good for doing tests on bean samples or small batches.
I'm not sure what you mean by liquoring. Do you just mean that the chocolate maker who makes the chocolate you use does not pre-grind his nibs before further refining? If so, I don't think that should cause the problems you're having, as that's what myself and many other makers do, and the resulting chocolate tempers fine.
No problem! Happy to help.
Here are a few of the discussions:
Hi Mariano. There's a lot of discussion on these two tempering machines (among others) on this forum. If you search for little dipper or chocovision, you can see what's already been said. I think there are a few threads that specifically compare the two.
I've taken part in it for the past two years and will be again this year. Looking back through my emails, it looks like it's been called the 'DallasChocolate.org Chocolate Conference & Festival' since 2012.
The chocolate side of things this year looks to be as great as ever, with a lot of great chocolatiers and chocolate makers in attendance.
Santiago Peralta of Pacari will be doing a class on cacao growing and processing, and Art Pollard of Amano and I will be doing a class on the bean to bar process.
All in all, I think it will be a great event.
I've used various glues as well as a couple different 'glue tape' type things. The best I've found so far is the Scotch Tape Glider:
The applicator is very handy when doing a lot of wrappers, and the tape is less expensive than any of the others I've tried.
This is a pretty common problem that most of us have had at one time or another. There are a bunch of discussions about this here on the Chocolate Life. If you do a search for streaks, you'll find a lot of good info about how to avoid them.
As has been suggested by Paul and in other discussions here on TCL, take a look at Power Twist fiberglass link belts. They don't stretch and seem to last forever. I used 3 small cocoatown melangers for a few years without having to change or even tighten the belt.
The older model ECGC12 that I had used a 3/8" width belt. I'm not sure what the newer model ECGC12SL uses, but I'd assume it is the same. I don't know how long it was/is, but it doesn't really matter since the link belt's length is easily adjusted.
I'd really recommend switching to the PowerTwist fiberglass link belt that Felipe linked above. They don't stretch and you'll probably never need to replace it. I ran a few Cocoatown ECGC-12s for 3 years or so using them without ever having to change or tighten the belt.
Hi Siham. There are several discussions on this forum discussing tempering machines and people's opinions of them. I'm linking a couple of them below, but there are many more that you can search for.