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Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/19/11 17:34:08
754 posts

getting cocoa liquor with a corona grinder


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I'd heat up the unit itself. you're passing what i'm guessing is a very small quantity (<1 kg?) through the unit, which appears to be at least 5x that mass which means it'll suck up the heat from your beans quickly. hard to say for certain from pictures, but it appears the gaps in your mill are not fine by any stretch, but sufficient to yield a very coarse grind liquor. all's it needs is the right temperature to help that along.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/11/11 21:43:28
754 posts

Options to find a chocolate manufacturer


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no, but i know most of the contract mfrs. i'm trying to gauge which of them might be appropriate for you to discuss with - you must have some sense of your volume potential...

What's your initial reaction if i say a ton (2200 lbs)? Let's use this as a litmus test..

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/11/11 15:18:27
754 posts

Options to find a chocolate manufacturer


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also should ask, what type of product (solid bar, filled, filled with what kind of materials, how flexabile are you, etc). Sorry, on the other side of the world this week, jet lags' wreaking havoc.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/11/11 14:37:18
754 posts

Options to find a chocolate manufacturer


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Can you give a ballpark annual volume estimate?

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/10/11 21:59:40
754 posts

Options to find a chocolate manufacturer


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Where are you physically located?
Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/06/11 18:30:57
754 posts

Which is the finest Variety


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'tis true, poor genetic stock will never result in good chocolate. however, simply having good genetic stock does not guarantee you'll get good chocolate. there are many many ways to completely screw it up 8-) good genetic stock + good post harvest practices = a good thing. good genetic stock + poor post harvest practices = disaster. there are many shades of grey between the two.

Ask your farmers to provide you with a number of samples using their standard post harvest practices and evaluate what you get. the best case scenario is you like what you get, and thus don't have to ask them to do anything different. changing behaviors is one of the most difficult things you can ask anyone, not just a farmer, to do.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/06/11 13:35:20
754 posts

Which is the finest Variety


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It's a bit like asking which car manufacture is the best - ford or chevy? you're information has a lot of yield information present, which makes me think you're getting your info from breeders - who almost never focus on flavor. breeders serve farmers, and farmers are most interested in yield, often at the expense of flavor. which is the finest? a significant portion of flavor is developed AFTER the beans are harvested - i can make any one of the above beans taste like 15 separate chocolates, even though they'd all be the exact same bean. i'd recommend identifying what characteristics you WANT to have, then source some beans from the geography you're considering, and have them prepared a number of ways postharvest, so you can get a feel for what they're capable of.

It's very difficult for anyone to say that ICS39 planted in, say Ecuador, will give a fruity chocolate. There's just too many variables. If you're going to be planting, remember there may be self incompatibility issues, and you may want to consider planting a variety of clonal materials to ensure a hedge against disease/pest pressures (if you go monoclonal, a single disease event could wipe you out). Remember also, that it will take 2-5 years for you to realize beans from new planting material as well.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/06/11 13:26:33
754 posts

Epuipment


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You're looking at handling, assuming you want to start from beans, about 10-12 tons of dry beans a month. You've moved out of the realm of hobbiest or artisinal shop, and into relatively large scale manufacture. I think you'll find that on this scale, all of your options are going to be costly i'm afraid...an 1800 mm 5 roll refiner just sold from Rabin (auction house) from a Nestle facility for $20,000 - which is an absolute STEAL. If you're cost conscious - and you should be prepared to spend multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars at this scale i'd think - you might want to consider watching the auctions.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
04/06/11 12:18:30
754 posts

Epuipment


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Process what? Liquor? Chocolate? It's very inexpensive to make a widower, but the legal implications are significant...
Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/23/11 16:35:02
754 posts

Cacao Field Testing Equipment Needed!


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sorry, i misread your original post - i thought you said you were going to do some growing - disregard my comments on the guillotine - if you're evaluating beans that have already been processed (fermented, dried, stored), it will do those things. That's what i get for reading in a hurry - i'm off to origin myself today, actually.. in a bit of a hurry given all the packing and logistics i'm afraid...
Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/23/11 15:14:42
754 posts

Cacao Field Testing Equipment Needed!


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Depends on what you want to test:

Guillotine - at the level you're at, you'd only really be able to use it to get a feel for degree of fermentation. It will be useless to determine insect damage or mold at this stage. It's more of a qualitative test for fermentation, and not a terribly accurate one at that.

Moisture meter - get a dickey john portable, or an aquaboy with a small sample adapter. Good for rapid, nondestructive testing for moistures < 20% (good to quickly determine if drying is sufficient or not). Be prepared to spend a few hundred bucks.

pH meter. Lots of small hand held devices available. Question would be why do you want it? What is it you're measuring - pulp pH? Whole bean? And what would you do with the results - how would you use them? <$200. Get calibration fluids for 1, 5, 7 pH. You won't need alkaline.

Refractometer - similar to the handheld pH meter. What would you do with it, how would you use the results? < $200.

I'd start with identifying what parameters you want to control / track, then determine what equipment you need to do so.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/18/11 16:14:15
754 posts

stone ground vs steel


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It's a very large topic, that, in short - the answer is a qualified yes (it could be), but for a wide variety of reasons.

You'd need to provide more information on the type of chocolate you manufacture (basics of formulation and physical parameters that are important to you), the type of equipment you currently use, and the type of equipment you'd be considering to migrate to, to effectively begin the discussion.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/21/11 15:14:45
754 posts

Machine to Measure Cocoa Power Fat Content


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There are lots of pieces of equipment that you can push a button and get an answer. All of them are in excess of $30,000 USD.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/18/11 16:16:52
754 posts

Machine to Measure Cocoa Power Fat Content


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There are no inexpensive pieces of equipment that i'm aware of that would give you fat results with a push of a button. If you're comfortable around wet chemistry and appropriately equipped you might consider a solvent wash to extract the fat, evaporate it, and do a difference by weight analysis (the decrease in weight would be predominantly due to the fats that were extracted by the solvent). If you don't need tremendously accurate precision (ie if you're ok with a +/- 0.x% accuracy), that may be the way to go. Downsides are your handling solvent and need to dispose of it safely.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
03/01/11 16:46:47
754 posts

Conching with Kenwood Mixers


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It can be used as a very ineffective conche - it's no where near 'modern' conching capabilities, but you'll get some work out of it. The key will be to temperature control the bowl, achieve the right consistency by controlling your fluids, and determine what the best way to add your emulsifier is. But yes, it can be done to a certain extent.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/24/11 20:47:26
754 posts

Need "ganache" help quick!


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it's 100% about control of water activity. if you start with fresh cream and boil off the water in the cream, for example, you've got very little shelf life concerns from a micro standpoint. if you add sufficient soluables such that any remaining water has had it's Aw lowered, you're in similiarly good shape.

Can you use fresh cream and make a shelf stable product? Absoultely. Just understand what drives the mode of failure and how to control it.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/21/11 05:02:24
754 posts

Need "ganache" help quick!


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technical point of clarity - while canola and rapeseed are closely related, they are different and legal definitions that distinguish them, chief of which is the fatty acid distribution. Also, his issue of shelf life will be primarily one of flavor - not food safety - as there's no water present and will be solely due to oxidation - no one's likely to get sick; it's just taste bad.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming!

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/21/11 04:55:43
754 posts

Need "ganache" help quick!


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Those solid coconut oils you're seeing have a melting point of approximately 96F - the natural coconut oils have such a range of fatty acids that, even though they're 'designated' a melting point of 76, it's really a huge range - meaning that in the 60-70's ish - they'll start to solidify, take on a pasty consistency, and look very strange. Jessica does make a good point about eutectics below - which is absolutely true - sort of a strange phenomenon where the sum of the two parts is less than the whole. You're best to experiment with different fats - however going with a fractionated/hydrogenated coconut oil for use as a centering fat will not, in my experience, deliver a great meltaway type texture. That said, acceptable texture is not up to me to decide for your product 8-)

Other options to consider include palm kernal and palm oils. Soybean if you want to start playing with the laurics; although now you've got to be more careful of what you use as your flavorants to ensure you're not wading into the realm of enzymatic degradation.

Although this goes against conventional wisdom, a chocolate shell really isn't a great oxygen barrier - it certainly does help, but it's not as good as one might think.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/20/11 18:52:21
754 posts

Need "ganache" help quick!


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Canola oil isn't going to be great for long shelf life as it's so highly unsaturated. Coconut oil - depending on what type you get - will vary quite a bit - you're really not going to want something that's highly fractionated or hydrogenated - you don't want it to have a high melting point (or read another way - you don't want it to approximate cocoa butter) as the whole reason you're using it is as a replacement for cream - you want it to be soft. Now, normally, softer oils have lower shelf life (they'll oxidize more rapidly due to lower saturation). I'd look for a high oleic oil - high oleic canola oils do exist commercially. If you go as Clay suggests, i'd consider a natural coconut oil (has approximately a 76F melting point) - it should not appear solid at room temperature - if it does, it's either been highly fractionated or hydrogenated, and isn't likely to give you the texture you're after. Anhydrous milk fat may be another option to consider, but will likely have more exposure to both price volatility as well as oxidation - it will, however, make a very good center.

You are not emulsifying anything via your approach. You're only looking to homogenize it via vigorous mixing.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
02/19/11 18:40:53
754 posts

Need "ganache" help quick!


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My strong suspicion is that what you're experiencing has absolutely nothing to do with the canola oil (although w/o knowing exactly what it is you're using, it's hard to say for certain). Additional soy lecithin will not help in the least. Canola's freezing point is somewhere between -20 and -40F, so it's not likely 'fat balls' you're getting, unless your oil has been tainted (much of store oil is, actually). The microwaving may be denaturing some proteins, which could be part of your problem - be very gentle with your melting. Be very thorough with your mixing, and do your cooling very slowly.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
01/13/11 15:03:55
754 posts

New Moonstruck Peruvian Fortunato Dark Chocolate Bar


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I've had chocolate made from the beans they use. It's quite interesting. But not that interesting (assuming that's not a typo).
Sebastian
@Sebastian
12/24/10 06:56:53
754 posts

Post-harvest methods and guidelines.


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Jeff - as someone noted, it's a pretty large topic to cover in a 5 minute web post on Christmas eve 8-) Mass of fermentation, length of ferment, is it co-fermented with something, the type of container used (is a container used?), the degree of aeration, the degree of 'weep' removal, temperature control, type of microorganisms used and when introduced, etc all factor into it. Of course, don't forget that the most important factor is, of course, the bean itself and it's genetic heritage. One of the issues you're dealing with in Indo (and they're legion i'm afraid), is that the majority of the genetic material that has been planted is simply not that good for flavor or fat levels, but it can be a high yielding variant. Of course you've got pod transportation issues, CPB pests, emerging phytophthera issues, and not many people ferment. The majority of indonesian stock can, however, be fermented in such as way as to produce a flavor profile that emulates many other origins - but even so, the fat levels will be depressed.

What's right or wrong? It depends on what you want to get - the question in and of itself is sort of like asking if a red car or a blue car is better 8-)

Sebastian
@Sebastian
12/20/10 18:43:01
754 posts

Post-harvest methods and guidelines.


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So, as you're aware in Indonesia - there's not a huge ingrained culture of heavily fermenting beans - in fact, most of Indonesians don't ferment their beans at all (at least not intentional fermentation, there may be some incidental fermentation occuring during transit).

Different parts of the world have taken on different post-harvest practices. In Africa, 100-300 kg heaps on the ground are common - there's really no 'standard' fermentation time or practice any longer in W. African, i'm sad to say - however historically a 5 day fermentation with routine turning had been the norm. Today, it's all over the map, and is part of what's contributing to the many quality issues arising out of W. Africa.

Many other parts of the world have taken to using boxes - some box fermentation can be found in your neck of the woods actually, although it's rare. C. and S. Americans often use boxes, usually of wood. Plastic boxes have been known to be used in the Carribean routinely. There are a number of techniques that can be applied to the fermentation itself to direct flavor development - for how you choose to ferment your beans has a significant impact on the type of flavor that they produce.

The best way to dry is solar drying, indirect heat. The rate of drying is terribly important to the flavor of the bean as well. Some geographies - such as Malaysia - have taken to burning things as the heat source to dry the beans. This results in what is typically regarded as defect beans, as the beans absorb the resultant odors of whatever's burned. Forced air gas and infrared heaters have also been known to be used. I prefer raised beds with a specific design, covered by opaque fiberglass/plexiglass with open ends to keep the rain out and keep air flow moving myself. The Ivory Coast has, in recent years, installed huge drum dryers at the ports - this has been a terrible thing in my opinion, as it's sent the message to tretants that quality procedures - such as drying at the farm - aren't important. What then happens is that wet beans are moved about the country, resulting in high molds, and then speed dried in a drum (essentially low roasted). If CdI doesn't resolve this - i predict a huge decline in their exports in years to come.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/14/14 04:08:33
754 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


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Yes. Lecithin is called an amphiphillic emulsifier, which means one end likes to stick to fat, and one end likes to stick to water. if your chocolate has adsorbed some ambient water, it thickens the chocolate by dissolving some of the sugar (even though it's a very small amount), and makes a syrup,, and as we all known, water (syrup) and oil don't mix - and it gets thick. The lecithin can 'bind up' some of the water in that syrup, making it 'slip' past the oil so it doesn't get thick - but if you use too much (hence the suggest to use vey small quantities), it can actually make the chocolate thicker. It's not a cure all by any stretch, but can help tweak viscosities when small amounts of moisture have been taken up.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/13/14 19:59:36
754 posts

Why does chocolate overcrystalize


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Once your chocolate has adsorbed ambient moisture, it's very difficult to get it to give it up. You may be able to compensate by adding a little (0.05-0.1%) more lecithin to get it to bind up the moisture, but that only works to a certain extent. Prevention by keeping the RH low is the best medicine to cure this problem. If you can't prevent it, you may be able to make it better by adding lecithin. If that doesn't work, a high shear high temperature mixer can be effective to a smaller degree, but i'd keep that the last resort option, and you risk other damage via this method if your temperatures are too high.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
12/01/10 18:43:29
754 posts

Bacon in chocolate


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I hope your food science didn't tell you go to to an Aw of less than 8 - i think they meant 0.88-)Also, it's worth noting that, in the US, the FDA wants to become involved - or treat you as a meat facility - if you include meat (including bacon) in your products at a 2% or > level. Vosages Haut is having to deal with this presently.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
11/18/10 17:49:11
754 posts

Is anyone attending ZDS in Cologne this year?


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Koln's great this time of year - if so, first round of Dom Kolsch's on me...

updated by @Sebastian: 12/13/24 12:16:07
Sebastian
@Sebastian
11/13/10 05:04:45
754 posts

toffee (i know this is not chocolate, i figure somone has some experience)


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A few things are going to be important to you. It's awfully hard to troubleshoot w/o details, although i appreciate the need for confidentiality. Rate of heating is important (ie you could be heating too quickly). Rate of mechanical energy input is important (ie, you may need more/less stirring). A little bit of acid may help you (citric or acetic - some lemon juice or vinegar). Altitude is important for your final cooking temperature... depending on where you're at, 305 sounds high, but you indicate you're seeing the problem well before that, so i'm inclined to think that's not it. Something many people never think about - or really have much control over - is what else comes with their raw materials. Sugar, for example, can very widely in it's incidental contaminants - depending on where you get it from, some of your incidentals may not be so incidental. how it's harvested can hugely impact this - cane sugar that's mechanically harvested w/o burning the field will be quite different than beet sugar from minnesota. these incidentals can wreak havoc in your system.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
11/12/10 15:34:15
754 posts

toffee (i know this is not chocolate, i figure somone has some experience)


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How in the world can you tell if it's separating while cooking? Halfway through cooking, it should be a molten, bubbly mess that's impossible to determine if it's an emulsion or not 8-) describe your recipe, and your production in as much detail as possible, and describe when and how you determine it's separated pls...
Sebastian
@Sebastian
11/12/10 15:28:47
754 posts

Specific heat capacity of chocolate


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I ran a quick test today on some milk chocolate i had handy. I won't give any specifics on it's formulation, but at 19C - 1589 J/KgC (or 0.378 Btu/lbF). If I were you, I'd increase that a bit for your chocolate.
Sebastian
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11/12/10 04:31:31
754 posts

Specific heat capacity of chocolate


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it gets complicated rather quickly - it's formulation dependent (ie how much cocoa butter you have will directly impact it). drilling down to cocoa butter, since cocoa butter's triglyceride profile is different all around the world, each butter's specific heat will be different. and then you overlay the impact of tempering and crystal form (each of the 6 different forms have their own specific heat...). So there's no quick and easy answer if you're looking for an accurate number 8-)The easiest thing to do, in my opinion, is average cocoa butter - a good ballpark figure for liquid cocoa butter at 40C would be, oh, about 0.5 cal/g. If you need to estimate SH in solid form, i'd start with 0.52 cal/g (20C, assuming predominance of form V).
Sebastian
@Sebastian
11/09/10 15:19:35
754 posts

Shelf Life


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It will absolutely oxidize. General principles for storage are the same as for chocolate - minimize exposure to heat, oxygen, and light. When it goes bad, you'll be able to taste it. It won't be dangerous, just won't have flavors you'll like. I recently had a container of Chef Rubber white butter turn on me.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
10/02/10 12:11:17
754 posts

How detailed a list of ingredients should be?


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Couple of additional thoughts:1) those components that have subcomponents (ie, dark chocolate is made of sugar, mass, lecithin, etc), need to be broken out, either parenthetically or in order of descending prominence.2) assuming you're in the US, those components that are big 8 allergens also need to have a clear allergen word next to it - ie "heavy cream - MILK' .3) your colored cocoa butter needs to identify which colors were used (yellow #5)Be sure your state allows use of alcohol in their candies.Corn syrup, i'm afraid, will continue to be corn syrup. ADM and Cargill are currently lobbying to have the term 'corn sugar' added to the list of alternatives for it, but that's not likely to happen any time soon i'm afraid.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
09/16/10 16:59:54
754 posts

Rival Projects Both Parse Cocoa’s DNA


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Whoops, originally posted in the wrong spot - couldn't delete it. sorry for duplicate.It does not. There is no genetic ownership component of this effort. It's being driven, in large part, by a realization that the status of cacao husbandry is at about the same place maize was in the early 1900's, and unless action is taken, there is a great likelihood that demand will outstrip supply, especially in light of disease, pest, and yield pressures.Witches broom 2 decades ago was a warning shot across the bow highlighting just how fragile the crop can be. There are a dozen other witches broom type things knocking at the door today. Farmers are not wanting their kids to farm because of a variety of reasons. If farmers no longer farm, they find another livelihood and we no longer eat chocolate.I understand your distrust of corporate america. it's usually well founded.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
09/12/10 12:44:18
754 posts

Information on Madagascar


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Actually, while many tend to discuss cocoa beans in a general 3 bean family (forestero, trinitario, crillo), it's much more complicated than that. Genotypically speaking, there's at least 10 families - cacao genetics is much more complicated than we'd historically gave it credit for!Much of the flavor is attributed to it's genetics. Much is from the growing conditions. A very, very significant amount is from the fermentation. It's amazing the degree to whicih you can influence flavor at fermentation if you know what you're doing.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
09/09/10 06:03:30
754 posts

blending couverture


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Yup, you're on the right track. It's not rocket science, so don't over complicate it by seeding with both types of what you're blending. I'd personally choose the chocolate that has the least milk fat (most cocoa butter) in it to seed with, but both will work. Do it on a small scale (100g) first and taste it to see if it's giving you the flavor profile you want.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
10/11/10 04:29:50
754 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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Strange career path, isn't it? My background is actually genetic engineering and organic chemistry, but after having done it for a number of years discovered i pretty much hated lab work (and waged a philosophical war wherein i came to the conclusion that what i was doing was wrong - just because we can, doesn't mean we should - but that's another topic). I pretty much lucked into chocolate 20 years ago - fell into it completely by accident (or providence, depending on how you view things) - never in a million years that i'd be doing what i'm doing now, didn't even know it was an option!
Sebastian
@Sebastian
10/09/10 18:01:23
754 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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Sorry, I meant the actual physical source for the material that is currently commercially available was african. commercially, it's not being supplied as a direct extract from this plant any longer - rather it's an enzymatic bioreaction process.My frame of reference? Was part of the team that was responsible for it's identification and subsequent creation of the process required to commercialize it.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
10/09/10 04:44:48
754 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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Nat - actually, the plant grows in many places, however the geography from which it was first extracted and purified for commercialized consumption was Africa, and the subsequent enzymatic scale up production process was based from that material, with a significant amount of that work being completed in Israel and Minnesota. It was from that material that it was understood that there are multiple glycoside fractions that contribute to the overall sweetness of the gross (whole) material, and that some of those fractions are sweeter than others, with the rebaudioside-A fraction as delivering the highest sweetening potency.There are hundreds of different species in the rebaudiana family, and vary from location to location, with their glycoprotein components similarly varying (ie, your stevia plant in mexico will likely sweeten - and taste - differently than your stevia plant from s. africa). Some are definitely more naturally potent than others, and some do a better job at mitigating the off flavors associated with the product than others.
Sebastian
@Sebastian
09/04/10 16:24:05
754 posts

Unsweetened (or stevia sweetened) milk chocolate?


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The Reb A component (the sweeter of the protein fractions) is very, very expensive. Very. As in if you had a shoe box full of the stuff you'd retire a very rich man. Good thing it's blended with 99.9% maltodextrin to make it affordable 8-)Chocolates have already been developed with stevia as the high intensity sweetener. The formulations are completed, and ready to roll. What's lacking is the demand. A chocolate mfr is not about to start offering another type of chocolate that requires a clean out (and hence complexity and waste) if the new product isn't going to deliver something unique and value added over what they're currently producing. That demand is not there (yet at least) for stevia chocolates at sufficient scale to make it reasonable.
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